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You have never walked in my shoes. I talk to vegans leftists and vegan activists everyday and the parallel between their experience and that of bi ppl like me is extremely striking. The lack of community support is extremely difficult. So many of the vegans I talk to everyday have vystopia, depression, and suicidal ideation.

https://scitechdaily.com/vegetarians-more-likely-to-be-depressed-than-meat-eaters-heres-the-science-behind-it/

https://faunalytics.org/veganism-stigma-and-you/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/317768313_Discrimination_Against_Vegans

Vegans are also more likely to be poor.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animals-and-us/201508/vegetarianism-and-money-surprising-results-new-study

Carnism is so entrenched as to be invisible to you, but it’s not invisible to us. Everywhere we go, we see the corpses of tortured animals being eaten in front of us, billboards and TV ads with corpses on display. Schools and hospitals and prisons don’t often accommodate vegans, in fact we’re often force fed animal products by such institutions, ignorant doctors prescribe us meat for ailments totally unrelated, tricked into it by community members, and mocked relentlessly by wider society. Not to even mention the shit vegan parents go through. Ppl threaten to take their kids. People harass us about being vegan when we’re silent and minding our own business, let alone the shit storm that always always comes when we actually do choose to speak up.

https://joannfarb.weebly.com/blog/not-an-apologetic-vegan

https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/episode-80-animal-rights-as-media-and-pop-culture-punchline

Animal ag is one of the biggest and most powerful industries. It drove colonization in the Americas and the current burning down of the Amazon. To say that they don’t have entrenched systemic power is fucking absurd. They have the power to create laws like ag gag and the Animal Entreprise Terrorism Act, they make it illegal to tell the truth about how destructive milk is in schools and offer alternatives like water. Rescuing a pig from certain torture and death could land you behind bars with multiple felonies, because our system treats sentient beings as chattel property instead of persons and criminalizes and marginalizes those who attempt to fight that system.

https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/episode-139-of-meat-and-men-how-beef-became-synonymous-with-settler-colonial-domination

Also you should get tf out of this comm. I’m so fucking sick of people who rape and murder animals telling us we don’t get to feel upset about it, then kicking us or of the community and saying we deserve it bc simply having a voice makes us assholes. Go be a loser fucking oppression gatekeeper somewhere else. I get it, ppl you hate don’t get to describe their life experiences or say they’re being hurt by you

https://twitter.com/colorspctrum/status/1667257795513667597?t=WSoVTUytTTnU9vTtFmV-qQ&s=19

If you don’t think I have the standing to compare my own damn experiences as a bi ace and as a vegan, you’re just speaking out of ignorance and bigotry. No amount of stats and facts will convince a fucking bigot

I’m queer, asshole

You know, there’s actually been studies done about the bigotry vegans face

vegans are viewed more negatively than atheists, immigrants, homosexuals, and asexuals

From a study linked in this article: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2018/11/2/18055532/vegans-vegetarian-research-uk

But you tell carnists they’re being abusive harassers and they say we deserve everything that comes to us. Hey, bigots, you know veganism is actually a protected belief in a lot of places and where it isn’t protected, it should be. It doesn’t surprise me that carnists here give me the same victim blaming I get irl from right wing misogynists. Sorry not sorry for being uppity instead of erasing myself for the sake of your vibes.

Most vegans don’t talk about this bc the bigotry and exclusion and hatred we receive is nothing compared to the way carnists and their sick system of animal agriculture treat nonhumans. But it does no one any favors to ignore how or community is repeatedly marginalized everywhere we go, in person and online. Vegans are isolated and alienated and many lose connection and support from their friends, family, and community when they choose to stand up for nonhumans. Sometimes online spaces are literally the only place where leftist vegans can find each other and talk.

The US state views us as literal terrorists, you know. So many animal rights activists from the previous generation were imprisoned and are still behind bars. But god forbid someone tell a carnist their treats are killing animals and the earth. Treats matter more than lives, and anyone who says otherwise is a huge asshole who should be ostracized

Right, like look at my post history. I’m clearly not here very often, just check in every once in a blue moon. They don’t mean “be less online” when they say that, they just mean “shut up and go away.” Vegans are very very obviously not welcome here, and it’s been that way forever.

I was saying earlier to one of my friends, who used to be a vegan mod here, that hexers don’t know their hb history bc the victors pass down site lore and the reactionaries won (and also bc you can’t see old posts). So this zombie lie that it was the vegans who started the drama and deserved what we got will never die

No problem! I always try to back up my effortposts just for situations like this. I was always told the internet is forever, but it’s really the opposite. Information gets lost all the time

since the old one poofed :hail-seitan:

Also, here’s this same post on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/VeganTheoryClub/comments/u1w7qy/vegan_marxist_masterpost

Reactionaries are explicitly not allowed per the rules of hexbear. They continue to be protected, but it’s not too late to ban them

The consent of those with less power than you should matter too