• oktherebuddy@hexbear.netEnglish
      45·
      7 months ago

      If you think this war has anything to do with protecting gay people you are an unbelievably dense fucking moron

      • GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        33·
        7 months ago

        Imagine thinking Ukrainr, the country that banned opposition parties and Russian-language media of all kinds (not just from Russia itself) while having never stood for queer rights nor the rights of ethnic minorities is less dictatorial.

        I hope you grow out of using minorities as a prop, running dog

        • oktherebuddy@hexbear.netEnglish
          36·
          7 months ago

          Let me illustrate the dynamic to you so you can step outside your own personally constructed logic labyrinth:

          1. The US views some country as an enemy for whatever reason, so attacks it either directly or through proxy or sanctions
          2. The US ruling class cares about the perception of their legitimacy, so they have to sell this action to most segments of US society
          3. The messaging targeted at liberals focuses on things liberals care about that the targeted country is bad at, like gay rights
          4. The targeted country takes this messaging and uses it domestically to sell additional crackdowns on gay rights as anti-imperialism
          5. This crackdown is used to justify further action against the country by credulous liberals like yourself
          6. The only people who get screwed are the gays, being faced with the twin joys of a domestic crackdown and US bombs/sanctions/whatever

          At no point in the liberal mind is it considered that the US ruling class does not give one single tiny shit about the rights of gay people in targeted country, or even proxy country. It is purely and entirely bait to get them to support bombing things. One doesn’t have to go too far back in history, if at all, in the US to find actions against gay people that, if they’d taken place in the targeted country, would be used to justify liberal support for bombing the place.

    • Dr_Gabriel_Aby [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
      38·
      7 months ago

      So dishonest to what the options are and what the laws in Ukraine have been before the war. At wars end, the far right elements of the Ukrainian rump state will be fully armed to do as they please to LGBTQ community you now claim this war is protecting.

        • DoiDoi [comrade/them, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          30·
          7 months ago

          Just within your own framework of “west good, authoritarianism bad” how do you reconcile the fact that the US has the world’s largest prison population and the highest rate of incarceration of any major country (by a completely absurd margin too)? Is that not authoritarian? Or is that word essentially meaningless and more of a vibes based accusation for thought terminating purposes? You don’t actually need to answer this as you are not the first lib we’ve ever spoken to, but if you want to try by all means go ahead and make a funny comment for us.

          it’s literally a war of “do I continue living in a growing, modernizing democracy with western ties or a backsliding authoritarian dictatorship that’s constantly trying to relive the Soviet glory days”

          lol

    • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      31·
      7 months ago

      far more human rights abusing nation

      Open Nazi worship, the massacre of labor union organizers, elections cancelled, all opposition parties banned, Russian language banned, conscription squads snatching men and women off the streets, ten years of fascist slaughter along ethnic lines in the Donbas…yeah you libs really picked the right horse to back on this one. Don’t you have another SS veteran to go praise?

    • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      21·
      7 months ago

      For some Ukrainians, such as those in the LGBTQ community it’s literally a choice of risk dying as your country defends it’s existence, or risk dying in a Russian prison

      Fuck off you pinkwashing asshole.