Things that are so obvious and ingrained that no one even thinks about them.

Here’s a few:

All US americans can go to Mexico EASILY. You’re supposed to have a passport but you don’t even need one (for car/foot crossing). Versus, it’s really hard for Mexicans, who aren’t wealthy, to secure a VISA to enter the US. I’m sure there are corollaries in other geo-regions.

Another one is wealthy countries having access to vaccines far ahead of “poor” countries.

In US, we might pay lip service to equal child-hood education but most of the funding pulls from local taxes so some kids might receive ~$10000 in spending while another receives $2000. I’m not looking it up at the moment, but I’m SURE there are strong racial stratas.

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    You can totally get different answers depending on what you’re looking for. That doesn’t mean they are equally valuable answers. Some evidence is shit. Have you tried vetting your sources? Its a fundamental part of research.

    Have you ever taken a philosophy class? The first day is always spent debunking relativist arguments like the ones you make. Have you ever taken a history class? The whole point of the discipline is learning how to source information and piece it together. What about the physical sciences? Engineering? These all require someone to make decisions about how to move forward. Your attitude might help you avoid conflict, might absolve you of responsibility or whatever. But you can’t foster community, build bridges, or run tests on relativism. The only reason you believe relativism is because you start with the assumption that the system is good, because it is good for you. Its why the world seems so unintelligible to you. Your foundation is wrong so you can’t build anything on top of it.

    Considering the amount of right wingers that want to throw me in an oven I’ll hold off on the facts aren’t real bit. I don’t want to be thrown in an oven, that’s a fucking fact bud. And the fact that you value their opinion, throw me in an oven, just as highly as my opinion, don’t throw in a fucking oven, I consider your relativism dangerous.

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      They don’t want to throw anyone in an oven, and that’s a fact. One of my best friends is one of those guys, who I grew up with. He doesn’t hate anyone besides “liberals”, having nothing to do with skin color or race. Also I have an engineering degree and took every one of those general education classes, economics, philosophy, psychology, etc, but also a master’s level elective class that literally was about interpreting and critiquing scientific journal articles. We spent a lot of time finding holes in published works and discussing retractions, enough to make me a little cynical even about “science” itself, let alone news stories. Maybe your “facts” aren’t quite as factual as you would like them to be and your truth isn’t quite that. But you will also grow less certain about things as you get older, just like I did.

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        Well, you had a good education. I’m also skeptical of science, but mostly because our science can’t be fully separated from capitalism and its incentives.

        Why are you talking to me like I’m a teenager? Y’all always pretend to be the adults in the room, very cool very condescending.

        They don’t want to throw anyone in an oven, and that’s a fact.

        So you aren’t always relativist. You get to side with your buddies against the minorities that their tribe hates. Lovely. I don’t give a fuck about your friends. Your friend isn’t conservatism, conservatism is conservatism. He’s aligned himself how he’s aligned himself. With people who want to throw me in a fucking oven you dumb motherfucker. Go peddle your dogshit cowardly ideology somewhere else. People saying they want to kill me is a fucking fact. You are cowardice incarnate.

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          Stop being such a victim, nobody wants to kill you, they just want to live their lives. I know lots of conservatives and not one of them wants to murder minorities, what are you even talking about?

          Seriously, go talk to normal people about normal stuff and knock it off. Yeah there is injustice in the world and we should talk about that, but you can’t always live in that space or it will drive you crazy.

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            Stop being such a victim

            people will stop being victims as soon as other people stop being victimizers

            stop being this guy:

            go talk to normal people about normal stuff and knock it off

            let me guess, you’re one of the normal people. you have decided this for totally normal reasons, and your normality just exists in a vacuum and isn’t imposed by any kind of superstructure.

            eah there is injustice in the world and we should talk about that,

            no, we shouldn’t talk about it. we should put an end to it.

            but you can’t always live in that space or it will drive you crazy.

            people don’t choose whether they live in an unjust space or not. they are born into it, and it drives them crazy and kills them. Only people unaffected by it have the liberty of ignoring it.