I wish people would use Signal, but Telegram is the closest thing to a sane privacy policy I’ve got. There are a few that luckily agreed to use Signal.
Waiting on interoperability, see how that’s implemented in Signal+WhatsApp (hopefully with Telegram to so I can ditch that).
I’m also using telegram but I don’t trust it. It’s made by two Russian brothers who are fleeing from every country in the world. A bit to sketchy in my opinion.
Don’t trust them either but that’s sometimes a good sign. It’s been used for illegal activities using a 3rd party client for a while in one country that I know of, which oddly enough makes me a little more comfortable. Or at least that country just couldn’t get access to the data
IMO I’d rather have that and have them clearly say they’re not using it for anything than potentially be profiled on WhatsApp where my friends keyboards are spying on their end in terms of content, i.e. be plugged into a social network with half the conversation exposed that way.
do you change keyboards for different apps? The keyboard itself is a separate app. Switching whatsapp for telegram (of all things) means you switched the messaging app. You did not switch the keyboard app too.
So if you think your keyboard is spying on you, that has absolutely nothing to do with messaging apps. At all
I see the confusion, what I meant to say their keyboard is spying on them which includes their part of my conversation with them.
Having an app broadcast the metadata of the conversations (whatsapp) + a keyboard spying on them = me getting profiled, somewhat.
Although Meta tries to go Apple’s way and not share data (likewise for Google, iirc)
As long as Signal requires my phone number, it’s a hard NO for me. I don’t care how good they encrypt if the first thing they do is require one of my most personal identifiers.
You’ll be able to connect with people by giving out your username instead of your phone number.
You will however still be required to register using your phone number, if I’m not completely mistaken.
So you can buy a burner phone (number) to receive the registration code and you’re good. Perhaps need to keep the number for migrating to new phone though.
Answer: Signal
I wish people would use Signal, but Telegram is the closest thing to a sane privacy policy I’ve got. There are a few that luckily agreed to use Signal.
Waiting on interoperability, see how that’s implemented in Signal+WhatsApp (hopefully with Telegram to so I can ditch that).
I’m also using telegram but I don’t trust it. It’s made by two Russian brothers who are fleeing from every country in the world. A bit to sketchy in my opinion.
Don’t trust them either but that’s sometimes a good sign. It’s been used for illegal activities using a 3rd party client for a while in one country that I know of, which oddly enough makes me a little more comfortable. Or at least that country just couldn’t get access to the data
non e2e encrypted by default, is not a sane privacy policy
IMO I’d rather have that and have them clearly say they’re not using it for anything than potentially be profiled on WhatsApp where my friends keyboards are spying on their end in terms of content, i.e. be plugged into a social network with half the conversation exposed that way.
I say sane in comparison to that.
Granted these are my own concerns
they use the same keyboards in different apps…
Wdym? I was under the impression that the Google native/default keyboard on Android feeds some stuff to their ad-related dataset
do you change keyboards for different apps? The keyboard itself is a separate app. Switching whatsapp for telegram (of all things) means you switched the messaging app. You did not switch the keyboard app too.
So if you think your keyboard is spying on you, that has absolutely nothing to do with messaging apps. At all
I see the confusion, what I meant to say their keyboard is spying on them which includes their part of my conversation with them. Having an app broadcast the metadata of the conversations (whatsapp) + a keyboard spying on them = me getting profiled, somewhat.
Although Meta tries to go Apple’s way and not share data (likewise for Google, iirc)
Maybe check out beeper? I’m not sure if it has Telegram integration but it works with WhatsApp and Signal as well as Matrix iMessage and others
Will do, thanks!
https://www.beeper.com/privacy
Little worried about the second part but I like that’s it’s short
@Scolding7300 @iesou there’s even more to it.
https://www.rubdos.be/privacy/signal/2023/09/07/my-problem-with-beeper.html
‘‘being a passive member of a group with even a single Beeper user destroys group anonymity!’’
That’s a good read, thanks!
As long as Signal requires my phone number, it’s a hard NO for me. I don’t care how good they encrypt if the first thing they do is require one of my most personal identifiers.
Threema has a very good model in that regard.
I heard from their forums it’s something they’re working on, so hopefully this year
You’ll be able to connect with people by giving out your username instead of your phone number. You will however still be required to register using your phone number, if I’m not completely mistaken.
So you can buy a burner phone (number) to receive the registration code and you’re good. Perhaps need to keep the number for migrating to new phone though.