“Well established” aka “we estimate” on estimates of estimates of estimates. Yes, thanks for proving my point in the lack of actual factual data on that field and backing it up with anecdotal evidence about your previous work life. That’s exactly what I was talking about. This is also a huge issue on how scientific studies can skew results in a broader picture that has become a terribly large issue as well and is basically the same garbage that for example the tobacco & oil industries did to provide us with amazing studies that all benefited their cause / push certain agendas. This entire topic becomes even more stupid when you try to apply the data (or estimates of data) from islands, such as New Zealand, and try to apply that onto big continents, such as Europe or the US. Invasive species are always a much bigger issue on islands, because the other species that are native to them have typically no point of retreat & recover. You can’t apply this to landmasses of the size of continents. And doing so with such wonky data points, that on top of that rely on top of other wonky data points, is just making shit up at this stage. That’s also why you people always cite the same study over and over again.
To what possible end? I’m not denying climate change and deforestation are huge issues for birds too, but I’ve lived with a lot of cats in my life. My friends have had outdoor cats. I know how much they kill even when its not their primary source of food. You also seem to be downplaying the impact of any invasive species not on an island, or misunderstanding why the risk is so high on an island. It’s not simply a lack of room for escape but also small populations of animals. Which can obviously accelerate how fast extinction occurs. That doesn’t mean that invasive species are not also a major problem on continents though, merely that it takes a longer time for ecological disruption to play out.
This study cites the 2013 study in addition to several other studies done since. It’s not just a single study that documented this, nor a single region of the world. I also don’t understand why you refer to me as “you people” as though I am even attempting to argue your original point. I’m not, I know and agree that climate change is especially in the long term the most serious issue for biodiversity. I’m only commenting to add that there are other human caused factors also decimating wildlife populations.
To win a pointless internet argument, who knows. I don’t even care, because the why doesn’t really matter. The point is that anecdotal evidence is pointless and just there to make you feel better about whatever hypothesis you’re supporting, but it’s not actually factual data we should trust and build policies around. And sorry, but studies citing this study as their base assumption is also not making that point any more valid, it just proves my point further. If anything you want proper studies that back up this claim and actually confirm it, but with actual data instead of a bunch of guesstimates. Until then I cannot take it seriously.
“Well established” aka “we estimate” on estimates of estimates of estimates. Yes, thanks for proving my point in the lack of actual factual data on that field and backing it up with anecdotal evidence about your previous work life. That’s exactly what I was talking about. This is also a huge issue on how scientific studies can skew results in a broader picture that has become a terribly large issue as well and is basically the same garbage that for example the tobacco & oil industries did to provide us with amazing studies that all benefited their cause / push certain agendas. This entire topic becomes even more stupid when you try to apply the data (or estimates of data) from islands, such as New Zealand, and try to apply that onto big continents, such as Europe or the US. Invasive species are always a much bigger issue on islands, because the other species that are native to them have typically no point of retreat & recover. You can’t apply this to landmasses of the size of continents. And doing so with such wonky data points, that on top of that rely on top of other wonky data points, is just making shit up at this stage. That’s also why you people always cite the same study over and over again.
To what possible end? I’m not denying climate change and deforestation are huge issues for birds too, but I’ve lived with a lot of cats in my life. My friends have had outdoor cats. I know how much they kill even when its not their primary source of food. You also seem to be downplaying the impact of any invasive species not on an island, or misunderstanding why the risk is so high on an island. It’s not simply a lack of room for escape but also small populations of animals. Which can obviously accelerate how fast extinction occurs. That doesn’t mean that invasive species are not also a major problem on continents though, merely that it takes a longer time for ecological disruption to play out.
This study cites the 2013 study in addition to several other studies done since. It’s not just a single study that documented this, nor a single region of the world. I also don’t understand why you refer to me as “you people” as though I am even attempting to argue your original point. I’m not, I know and agree that climate change is especially in the long term the most serious issue for biodiversity. I’m only commenting to add that there are other human caused factors also decimating wildlife populations.
To win a pointless internet argument, who knows. I don’t even care, because the why doesn’t really matter. The point is that anecdotal evidence is pointless and just there to make you feel better about whatever hypothesis you’re supporting, but it’s not actually factual data we should trust and build policies around. And sorry, but studies citing this study as their base assumption is also not making that point any more valid, it just proves my point further. If anything you want proper studies that back up this claim and actually confirm it, but with actual data instead of a bunch of guesstimates. Until then I cannot take it seriously.