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I’d love it to be true, but I will believe it when it hits the market
Toyota do have a decade or so unbroken history of promising anything that will slow BEV adoption and then delivering a turd sandwich. Here’s hoping it’s different this time.
I really would love it to be true. My parents are diehard Toyota people. They’d love to get an EV as their next car, but due to boomer brand loyalty, they next car must be a Toyota, and we all know how much the busy forks sucks, so here’s hoping they develop a usable EV next.
While it’s true that Toyota is pretty far behind other car manufacturers in pure battery EVs, they still have the best hybrid drivetrain around by miles and they have great plug-in hybrids. I just got a RAV4 Prime and I love it. It has around 40-50 miles of electric only range and then switches to hybrid mode if you drain the battery before recharging where it gets 60 MPG and can go over 500 miles on a tank. Honestly my commute is way less than 50 miles so I drive electric around 90% of the time. The only time I kick in the gas engine is for longer trips and especially on road trips it’s nice not to have to worry about finding charging stations and waiting an hour or two for a charge.
Ooh yeah; the rav prime is a wonderful car. I inquired about getting one back in 2021 and was told there was a two year wait. :/ ended up dipping my toes into the BEV world by leasing a VW ID.4, hated it, ended up selling it, and then begrudgingly bought a Model 3. Absolutely love my car (21k miles in a year with zero issues), but man I really had to hold my nose to pull the trigger on that purchase. I live in a big truck area and man I get a lot of coal rolling, revving, and middle fingers for my car haha
I wouldn’t even call that “boomer brand loyalty” I’m 24, almost 25 and I will probably not buy anything that isn’t a Toyota/Lexus for the rest of my life.
Toyota/Lexus are hands down the least maintenance heavy vehicles on the road. They know how to make an absolutely bulletproof reliable modern engine.
I’m a Service Writer for a mom and pop auto shop, and the most major thing I’ve had to write for a Toyota is… A Water Pump, Fuel Pump and a full Tuneup with 4 plugs and 4 coils. Which is… Basically peanuts compared to what I have to write for Dodges, Nissans, and Chevys. (Oil Filter Housings for Dodge, Whole Transmissions for Nissan, and a bunch of random shiz for Chevy)
Bro they recalled the fucking frames on Toyota Tacomas at one point lmao. I guess the motors were pretty reliable on my t100s but idk really nothing special compared to any other motor that’s getting regular maintenance.
There’s lot of motors that just fail regardless of maintenance.
Ehh, I used to share this take but I think it’s a bit over the top now. There are at least certain vehicle models from other brands that I feel are in the sphere with Toyota, notably the Ford F-150. Used, it tends to be similar or cheaper than the Tundra in price and mostly better features and performance and it gets better fuel economy than the vaunted Tacoma, let alone the Tundra, while being significantly bigger/roomier and I dare say, not much less reliable.
The F150 of today has many different major issues that can happen to it. Tacomas and Tundras are bulletproof I’ve never seen a Taco or Tundra in the shop for anything besides maintenance items.
I’ve told many an F150 owner that their truck is basically totalled. I told a guy yesterday that he probably needs to go trade his 2017 F150 in today because the Valve Body in the transmission is about to die.
Ehh, and down the road they go racking up the miles same as the Toyotas. Mine’s at 150k, a 3.5 ecoboost.
And let me get this straight, someone needs to trade in their 2017 truck because of a potentially $1.5k, maybe a fair amount less, repair?
It’s not 1.5k lol. You severely underestimate the cost of a Transmission replacement. That Transmission job is about 5k to 8k depending on if you want to go Reman or New.
Probably 6 batteries that require 12 chargers
Hey I mean credit where credit’s due. If they can somehow cram a 200kWh battery with megawatt charging to get 700 miles and 10 minute charges into a Toyota priced car, so be it. Can’t imagine that’d be possible since that would be like 20-30k in battery cost alone, and there aren’t any chargers who can deliver that kind of power right now anyway.
At 350kW peak, I wonder what the miles per kwh would need to be to charge 700 miles of range in 10 minutes. That’s 58.3kWh delivered. So uhhhh they’d need to get 12 miles per kwh which would be uhhhh nuts
10 minutes at 350kw (assuming you hold peak the whole time) would provide
If we correct for toyota falseadvertising range estimates (-10%), assume they mean 90km/h at similar consumption as a model 3 in ideal coditios (around 120Wh/km), and take “a charge” as 10-80% then it needs 90kWh or about half a megawatt.
So still not within current chargers, but well within what a megawatt charger would provide (and there are four standards basically ready to roll out).
It’s 2009, 2014, 2017 and 2020 all over again.
They keep promising great new battery tech just around the corner and never delivering.
If I was a cynic, I might think they’re simply doing it to put people off buying current EVs so they’re not saddled with ‘old tech’.
While you wait for our amazing new battery, pick yourself up a great new hybrid…
I am not currently buying but I looked at the Hyundai Ioniq? Iconic? Whatever numbers yesterday and from what I saw you could get an AWD ~50k on the road with over 300 miles range and a cost of ~$8-$10 to fill the battery going off prices in the U.S. for electricity.
That is better than what I need for sure and 1/3 the cost of gas, so I have to say the doubts and againsts are getting pretty small here. I think 0-60 was 5.1 seconds (SUV crossover) that’s as quick as I want an SUV to accelerate haha
Also depends on where you live. I can charge my Model S from 0% to 100% for about $5-$6 and get 350-400 miles.
But my friend in California would have to pay something like ~$40, which makes it a much harder sell.
Much harder sell? They’d probably be paying close to $80 for gas for the same range.
At peak times maybe. Even then a comparable ICE would be $70-80 to fill up te same range.
Location certainly makes a huge difference, I’ve spent a total of €1016.32 for 10k miles charging at home with my Leaf.
Does anyone remember graphene?
I want to know how they are getting that much energy safely delivered to the battery. That’s probably 200+ kWh of energy getting dumped into the battery in 10 min. That’s going to cause a lot of heat and require a massive delivery system. Maybe a local capacitor that slow charged and then dumps all at once, but I didn’t see any details on the article.
Possibly capacitors, but most likely there will be battery storage for charging systems. The Tesla V4 superchargers can deliver 1 MW of total power spread across 4 individual cars, but can only draw 350kW from the grid. To get the additional power, they have batteries connected to the system that charge up when the supercharger is delivering less than 350kW.
MCS and other standards in consideration are all around the 1-3.5MW range.
Most of the absurd luxury/sports EVs output 500kW-1MW at full acceleration (they can only keep this up for 5 minutes though). It’s not a huge leap from existing production stuff.
Toyota is a really notorious company. They changed the whole small car segment to premium segment by bumping up the price more than 75%.
The price of everything has been bumped up 75%.
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I wonder what the safety is like?
Right now I think Li-FePo4 cells are the safest high capacity ones on the market, you can even drill a hole through them in some cases and they don’t combust
Solid state lithium are generally much safer. Keeping them working for more than a few charges is the problem.
Claims they could.
If you can get a downhill stretch of road that long…
I just want an electric Tacoma. I’d trade up from my 2014 in a heart beat.
I wonder if they finally perfected that 3D sponge battery. Rather than plates or coiled foil they make some blown copper zinc mixture i think and it causes a crazy amount of surface area for the reaction. Sounded cool years ago and then never heard anything again about it.
If they actually do this though…
It will come, I just question if the hydrogen market will best them soon after
Last I saw the anticipated production start of that project is in the early 2030s so talking about it now is kinda moot. Whatever vehicle I buy now will be dead or near death by the time this hits dealerships
Meanwhile, a 2010-era gasoline Toyota will outlast the heat death of the universe. Toyota is lagging behind in EV development, but it’s largely because they’re focused on finding ways to make it last fucking forever. Toyota interiors are infamous for being really bare. But that’s because they only include the things that they can be sure will work for the next decade at least. You aren’t going to find something like a dead console touchscreen in a two year old Toyota, because Toyota won’t include a touchscreen in the console until they’ve figured out how to make them survive a lot of abuse.
This is a technology post, not a “buy this car next” post. It’s moot if all you care about is your next car.
How is Toyota the only car company still not selling a single BEV vehicle?
They’re not, they’ve had the bZ4X for over around a year now. It’s kinda mediocre but certainly not the worst BEV I’ve seen.
IIRC Toyota bet hard on hydrogen fuel cell technology and have been stubbornly working on making them a thing instead of pivoting to BEVs.
Which I’m not exactly mad about or sure if it is (or isn’t, I genuinely don’t know enough about the technology to make a call) a bad decision. While it’s certainly looking right now like BEVs are the way of the future, maybe Toyota will make some breakthrough and hydrogen really will end up being the next big thing.
This kills the Tesla
a tesla model 3 100kwh battery charges from 10% to 80% in 30min with 250kw charger, that means 70kwh for 376km autonomy in 30 min. if u want 1200km range, u need a pack of 223kwh to get that range, and a charging speed of 2390kw to do that in 10min. a pack of 223kw would weigh 1338kg. wouldn’t that affect the car autonomy ? probably. with a hydrogen car, a 5kg of h2 would give u 400km of autonomy, refillable in 10 min, so u would need 3*5kg of h2 tanks to get that charging speed, also 3 ports. are those feasible ? will see.
