What defederating would mean:
- We won’t see beehaw.org posts/comments on other instances.
Pros:
- There is less confusion, you can’t respond to a beehaw.org user, thinking they will be able to see your response when in reality they cannot.
Cons:
- We won’t be able to see any beehaw.org comments/posts on other instances, so we will miss out on some comment threads and posts. It could be good to be able to see them and interact with the other users there even though beehaw.org users won’t see any of our content.
Summary
Overall, I think it is better not to defederate, but simply unsubscribe from all of their communities (and as we no longer get posts from their instance, with time these will cease to appear on our ‘front page’).
beehaw.org users already can’t see our posts/comments anywhere so it’s not like defederating would change their experience in any way, so it wouldn’t really be retaliation and would just limit the content available to lemmy.world users.
What do you think?
They’re liberals that can’t handle any disagreements.
Good example! This is exactly the type of low effort, high judgement user they probably want to avoid.
Well am I wrong?
We can’t tell if you’re wrong because you didn’t do anything but assert a stance. That’s what he meant my “low effort”. Show your work.
I’ve been perfectly polite up until now in my posts on the beehaw instances.
I didn’t suggest you were being impolite. I said you didn’t back up your stance so we can’t judge whether it’s incorrect or not. It’s literally just an assertion you made without any attempt to back it up.
The obvious potential error in your stance-- again, which you have not even attempted to support-- is that this was to prevent “disagreements”. Can you support that? Do you make a distinction between a disagreement and trolling and harassment, or are all of those lumped together for you?
C’mon man; you cared enough to make the assertion, support it.
Absolutely
It’s been explicitly clear that beehaw’s very few moderators would protect their users from bigots spreading hate online. It sucks that better defederation options don’t exist yet within the platform but to boil down to softy liberals is so lazy and part of the problem.
The problem is the bigots are so stupid and deluded that they don’t perceive their actions as hate, but rather justified politically motivated actions. Then they turn around and misconstrue their hate as protected speech or political protest. They’re too dumb or willfully ignorant to even comprehend the difference between hate and healthy discourse.
It isn’t stupidity or ignorance. It’s a deliberate tactic used in bad faith. It’s the tactic of “I’m not racist but…” before spewing racist garbage. They know their arguments are bigoted and hateful, but they also believe it doesn’t matter because their targets are subhuman and not worthy of protection of any kind.
What I meant was that they are stupid for falling into such ignorant beliefs, and delusional in their justification for their actions. Yes, they know they’re racist. But they believe they are somehow morally justified (and some morally compelled!) to harrass others.
I was being tongue-in-cheek, but I agree with you and that’s what I was trying to allude to.
Id say its a bit of both.
There are definitely people who don’t think what they are saying is bigoted due to ignorance or failure to understand why what they say is hurtful or wrong - i’ve met a fair few.
There are also people who know that its bigoted, and refuse to care because believe their bigotry is justified, despite the harm that it causes. - i’ve also met some people like that.
Neither of which should be tolerated, though.
Nobody has even shown any evidence of what posts are so disruptive and you’re completely ready to boil it down to ‘they believe their targets are subhuman’.
Good example! This is exactly the type of low effort, high judgement user they probably want to avoid.
“Liberals” that want the entire instance moderated by only 5 people - managing all user registrations, community creation and the moderation of every post and comment on every community.
It’s crazy. We left Reddit to get away from powermods and admins.
They want to protect their users from trolls. Blame the trolls.
If you are so fragile that you need to be protected from a troll then maybe the internet is not the right place for you.
I don’t know how “Liberal” came to be synonymous with fragile snowflake. People have been misusing the word for ages … especially in the US. The original Liberal (and I’m proud to claim to be one) puts free speech front and center of their world view. It’s the cornerstone of democracy. And free speech also means the freedom to offend … it’s a price well worth paying.
I personally think you have the wrong mindset. Each Lemmy instance is started with a certain vision in mind, and it’s fine - great even - that they differ. No one is confined to an instance; you can move to another if the one you’re on doesn’t work for you.
So if the mods of Beehaw think it’s best to shut out certain other instances, that’s fine. I’ve seen posts by a number of people there saying they agree with the decision. People that don’t can find a different instance. And, unlike Reddit, that doesn’t mean finding a whole new site or app, it’s just a new home port on the same trade route.
Stop pushing culture war bullshit.