It’s amazing to me that a sizeable number of Cuban immigrants and their descendants vote for these right wing “anti-immigration” candidates.
There’s going to be a whole lot of leopard face eating going on.
But they’ve already got theirs, so everyone else can eff right off.
But embryo rights!!! So many Cubanos are good catolicas. How do you reason with eternal damnation?
This is why I have a hard time respecting religion. People take irrational stances based on what they’re taught as kids to never question.
The right to practice a religion ends when it smacks me in the face with its zealotry and steals bodily autonomy.
Single issue voting for a party that wants to deport your kind or put them in cages is so ridiculously short sighted, it’s hard for me to even pretend to see their perspective.
He knows it will fail, but it gives him headlines with the racist, xenophobic base which is precisely what he needs in order to win the primary. He’ll probably be screwed in the unlikely chance he even gets to general, but that’s his problem.
And the irony is that the very same base likely does not understand what birthright citizenship even means and that abolishing it would negate their own citizenship.
It reminds me of back when I was in college and we had a guy on campus make a petition to end Women’s Sufferage as a prank. There were actually women who signed the petition because “women are suffering!” and that was awful.
Women’s Sufferage is the right for women to vote.
Yeah, DeSantis is evil, not stupid. He has degrees from both Yale and Harvard. He knows full well what he’s doing and how things work. It’s all calculated evil.
So the 2nd amendment is off limits but the 14th is fair game. Interesting
“They will effortlessly carve out any exception because it makes them exceptional… and what greater power is there than the ability to override to override truth?”
So, he’s going to revoke the citizenship of millions of Americans? Straight out of the Nazi playbook. Next step is concentration camps…
Did you expect anything less from this asshole?
Trump: “I am completely awful.”
DeSantis: “Me too, me too! I’m totally awful too! Pay attention to me!”The President doesn’t get to decide on that any more than a regular citizen. The Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution states quite clearly that “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
If Congress and the States want to amend the Constitution, they can do so by following the procedures laid out in Article V, which requires a 2/3 majority of both houses of Congress OR 2/3 of state legislatures to propose the amendment, and then 3/4 approval of state legislatures to ratify it. The President has zero involvement in the process:
Once approved by Congress, the joint resolution proposing a constitutional amendment does not require presidential approval before it goes out to the states. While Article I Section 7 provides that all federal legislation must, before becoming Law, be presented to the president for his or her signature or veto, Article V provides no such requirement for constitutional amendments approved by Congress, or by a federal convention. Thus the president has no official function in the process. In Hollingsworth v. Virginia (1798), the Supreme Court affirmed that it is not necessary to place constitutional amendments before the president for approval or veto.
Problem is, conservatives have been trying to have a constitutional convention for a while. It’s a goal of theirs to get enough state legislatures to do it. Should that happen, we’re in for a really bad time.
Theoretically you can amend the constitution at will if you control congress, the presidency, and one state legislature. You just carve up (for example) Texas to create another 150 states out of a rural area with each occupied by loyal party members. Then you admit them (only need a simple majority) and use them to push through any amendments you want. This would almost certainly trigger a civil war, but as far as I know it is legal.
and rightfully so against whomever tried such a maneuver.
He almost certainly won’t be able to make that happen, but it’d be a terrible idea. If birthright citizenship were ended, the first thing the corpos would do is replace as many US Citizen workers as they could with Immigrants, and increase the amount of immigrants until they could get a workforce of permanent non-citizens who cannot ever vote.
Smart people who hate immigration or who love democracy would realize that getting rid of birthright citizenship is a VERY bad thing. Our oligarchy would weaponize it real quick. The first people to be made obsolete would be the working class, including the White working class, ironically.
So precisely why it will happen.
I would imagine that it would give everyone a VERY valid reason to start a civil war right there and then and my money is on the people since Americans possess more guns to population than the rest of the world. Oligarchy trying to push this is going to quickly realize how good they had it until they piss off enough people.
Real cool dude /s
I don’t understand this clown’s strategy. “Let me outflank Trump on his right while simultaneously claiming he’s too far right to be electable.”
So he’s promising to nullify the 14th amendment? Bold strategy
Conservatives really don’t like any amendment passed the 2nd. And they absolutely hate the 13th, 14th, and 15th.
The conservatives on the supreme court have been chipping away at the 14th and 15th for the last decade, but gutting both is still one of their goals.
Coincidentally, they’ve functionally gutted the 4th through the Supreme Court, and are taking stabs at the 6th as well.
Past the second? They fucking hate the FIRST. Freedom of religion? Hell no. They’d impose Christianity on everyone if they had even the most remote opportunity.
No, no, no! They love the first! It’s the freedom to make everyone follow their Christian nationalism! It’s not designed to have freedom from religion you silly buffoon!
Obv </s> but just to be sure…
Some of them don’t even know how amendments work. They think the 2nd amendment was passed down by God on stone tablets.
I’ve argued with a person that didn’t know amendments could change other amendments. Nor did he know how amendments were voted on. But he swore the amendments were perfect when written and couldn’t possibly be changed.
You just have to talk about the 21st amendment, and how there’s a brewery named after it.
Not a bad brewery, but fairly modern, all things considered.
But yeah, how amendments work is basic US government stuff, there’s a required high school class on it and everything. Or at least it was required in both the states I attended high school in. Since I moved mid-year, I got to take it twice. I didn’t learn as much the second time, after all, that class was taught by the gym teacher, but we still covered how amendments work. I remember one of the pot heads in class got really interested in the 18th and 21st amendments and argued that the DEA was unconstitutional because of those two amendments being needed to ban, and allow alcohol.
that class was taught by the gym teacher,
This says more than you expect about the quality of American education, and why we have people that don’t know how amendments work.
Ask him how Prohibition is going since Amendments can’t be changed.
They just don’t like the Constituion, period. It gets in the way of what they are trying to achieve.
Wtf is “birthright citizenship”? Wouldn’t that just eliminating citizenship and eventually just result in essentially a caste system? Like… Wtf?
“And now, nobody is citizens except me because I say so! Wheeeeeeeee!!!”
So, see, here’s the thing. Most countries don’t do birthright citizenship (that is, you’re automatically a citizen if you were born in the country). They trace it by pedigree; some combination of your parents, grandparents, and, possibly, great-grandparents have to have been citizens in order for you to be born a citizen.
THE PROBLEM IN AMERICA, tho, is that we had slavery for 200 years (as America). So when the slaves were freed, guess what? Their parents, grandparents, etc., were never citizens, says (mostly) The South. So sure, they’re free, but they can’t hold office or vote or anything, because they’re not citizens. Ever heard the term “Grandfathered in” or “Grandfather clause”? That comes from the test that Jim Crow states used to determine who could vote (for free, or without jumping through hoops, or, in some cases, at all). If your grandpa could vote, you can vote. Guess whose grandpas couldn’t vote? Yup.
So we had to drop a ban hammer on that in the form of writing birthright citizenship directly into the constitution. Because the people who were crying into their grits that they lost all their slaves just wouldn’t get the fucking hint.
Do we necessarily need birthright citizenship anymore? Absolutely we do. 100%. Because as soon as the GOP decides to trash it, they’ll come up with some Neo-Jim-Crow shit fucking immediately.
Birthright Citizenship means that you are a US citizen when you are born in the US, regardless of your parents’ citizenship status.
In the article at least, De Santis hasn’t explained how that works for the “good” Americans he wants to keep. Is every infant just not a citizen anymore until they can pass the test?
Don’t even try to think about the downstream affects of that on healthcare and education.
Trying to be like Trump.
