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          Exactly. On account of he’s dead. He can no longer promote anything, that’s how death works.
          And “incel” didn’t exist yet. Not getting laid back then was due to what was known as, “being ugly and having a shitty personality”.
          Same as today, just not rebranded into a catchy portmanteau.

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            That’s like saying someone can’t be a homosexual in ancient Rome because the word didn’t exist yet.

            Like, in an extremely pedantic way you could say that, but it doesn’t reflect what was actually happening.

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              🫤 I didn’t say anybody “can’t be” anything at all.
              I said it was a funny old joke. Then I wisecracked incels are ugly people with shitty personalities. If anything, that insensitivity should be what any reply is about.
              Are…are you in the same conversation as me?

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                You didn’t say, “can’t be”, thats why I said it’s like you said that.

                We didnt call it, “incel” 100 years ago when someone acted like an incel. If someone was making jokes and promoting a mindset at the time that would now be labeled “incel”, then we can retroactively say the ideology they promoted fits our current label.

                I am in the same conversation, and I hear what you’re saying. I don’t think you sincerely understood what I was saying the first time.

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                  Yeah I don’t think Rodney Dangerfield, we’re he alive today, would accept the “incel” brand so easily. His comedy and attitude are different. That’s why it doesn’t deserve an “incel bullshit” comment. It’s simply a funny self-depricating type joke…
                  But what do I know… maybe it wasn’t even Rodney Dangerfield who came up with the joke.

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        The word “incel” might not have been coined yet, but at this point, “incel” basically just describes “man who blames women for his inability to attract them”, and that’s definitely nothing new

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          This joke doesn’t blame a woman for his inability to attract, it implies he’s ugly and women are attracted to money.

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            That is literally placing the blame on the woman

            “If she weren’t such a gold digger, she’d want me”

            The whole, “they want the wrong thing” is incredibly common in incels.

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              Lol, implying women are attracted to money is not a stereotype that only an incel can attribute. Comedy often pokes fun at stereotypes, of course without trying to offend.
              I don’t think the joke is “… literally placing the blame …”
              The joke is more light-hearted than outright “blame”.
              “Incel” is a modern word with negative connotation, that I don’t think need be retroactively applied to all things related to rejection or attraction from a woman.
              It ruins the joke.

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                When the joke is “women be gold diggin’”, the joke was ruined from the start

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      Could it be that women don’t like me because I am misogynistic, don’t look after my personal hygiene and appearance, have no manners, and have no desire to improve my overall character?

      Noooo it must be their primitive female minds 🤪