The GOP attitude toward Dreamers is just another side of their bigotry, hate, and short-thinking ignorance. We, as a society, want people to have access to health care for a multitude of reasons. But not the good ol’ GOP shitheads.
When veterans cant get healthcare and illegals can, theres something very wrong. What should happen is them getting deported. Otherwise, it just encourages more illegal immigrants.
Just because we’re not taking good enough care of our veterans doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t be taking care of anyone else in our country in the meantime.
Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free
@BobaFuttbucker @Blamemeta We can try, sure, but if you’re bad at something, and you decide to do more of that thing, what result would you expect?
“Bad” in this case is subjective, unless you can explain what is subpar about the healthcare being provided to the undocumented and we can agree to it?
@BobaFuttbucker When did I say there was anything subpar about the healthcare being provided to the illegals?
It seems to be your opinion that illegals are well taken care of, but the #USA isn’t taking good enough care of our veterans. Would this mean that our poor treatment of veterans is intentional?
lol all I said was the quality of healthcare given to any individual depends on the observer. I made no statement of my own.
You’re just jumping to conclusions to try to find a way to be outraged, so you can position yourself as the morally superior one.
Please don’t make statements for me.
US healthcare costs substantially higher than other developed nations, and our outcomes are not commensurateely higher; they lag behind many countries with much lower healthcare outlays. I would say consistently spending more to get less is a very good definition of “subpar”.
“Free” healthcare to everyone who makes it to US soil is like the old joke: “we lose money on every sale, but don’t worry, we’ll make it up in volume.”
The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.
—Margaret Thatcher
“eventually” doesn’t scale well, unfortunately
Does it not strike you as odd to say “we as a society want X, except for [approximately half of the people in our society who want the opposite of X]”?
Not really. People who don’t want healthcare are saying they don’t really care if diseases and misery spread to all and show an incredible, painful ignorance of science. Fuck 'em.
Yeah, you can’t apeal to “society has decided X” as an argument, if you also hold that half the people in society don’t count because you disagree with them. That’s actually the opposite of what ‘society’ means in that context.
OK, I guess I should say “civilization” instead.
Keep pushing lies, liar…
Ah, Ye Olde sophist personal attack, the bastion of those with no argument to make.
Welp, you’ve convinced me.
It’s not a personal attack. It’s a statement of fact. Don’t like it? Don’t lie.
Under the initiative, more than 100,000 illegal immigrants will be granted free healthcare under the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare. The so-called “Dreamers” will be able to enroll in the program’s health care system beginning next year.
Who the eff are Dreamers?
From the pro-genocide Anti-Defamation League:
young people impacted by DACA and the DREAM Act are often referred to as “Dreamers.”
The recipients of DACA are young people who have grown up as Americans, identify themselves as Americans, and many speak only English and have no memory of or connection with the country where they were born. Under current immigration law, most of these young people had no way to gain legal residency even though they have lived in the U.S. most of their lives.
Since DACA began, approximately 800,000 people have been approved for the program. To be eligible, applicants had to have arrived in the U.S. before age 16 and lived here since June 15, 2007. They could not have been older than 30 when the Department of Homeland Security enacted the policy in 2012. DACA applicants have to provide evidence they were living in the U.S. at the prescribed times, proof of education and confirmation of their identities. They also had to pass background, fingerprint and other biometric checks that record identifying biological features.
Well, now we know who they are, but ARE THEY LEGAL? That’s the fundamental question in this carnival of marginalization.
No. No, they’re not. But by law, they are protected from deportation, authorized to work and go to school, get a social security number, and some other stuff. And the only reason they’re not legal is because the “We support a legal path to citizenship for immigrants that go through the proper channels” people do not, in fact, support a legal path to citizenship for them, with a bit of help from weak-kneed Democrats.
And now, this article has the audacity to stoke the fears of illegal immigration? Standard Republican politics: Republican solutions for Republican-caused problems.
Dreamers are illegal immigrants who were abused by their parents. This does not mean we shouldnt deport them.
Abuse for abuse is not a cure.
Deportion is not abuse, why on Earth would it be?
I think we have fundementally different ideas of what abuse and deportation are
Deportion is not abuse
The recipients of DACA are young people who have grown up as Americans, identify themselves as Americans, and many speak only English and have no memory of or connection with the country where they were born.
You would send someone to a country they have no memory of, no connection to, and cannot speak the language and not call it abuse? They’re not being sent home. They’re effectively being sent to a foreign country.
Exactly. That’s why it’s abusive. It’d be like sending a random conservative to Hungary. Though CPAC attendees may love Hungary, I doubt they’d like to be sent there forcefully when they identify as an American through and through.
It’s not an apt comparison.
It is not sending a random person to a random country.
It is sending a citizen of that country back to their country.
One can agree or disagree with doing it, but it isn’t a random person being sent to a random country.
If we want to get particular, it is the right thing to do under international law.
It is sending a citizen of that country back to their country.
When you say “their” country, what do you mean?
The abusive thing was to not deport them sooner.
Republicans didn’t invite people to come here illegally.
No, they didn’t. They were given a chance to “protect the innocent”, as they call kids, and decided to betray them anyway.
