I work in training and development and almost had a stroke today when someone showed me some new material for new hires that essentially said, ‘to get promoted you should volunteer to do more work’. Uh, no. We’re not asking people to work for free, take that out. Forget it ever existed. Fucks sake.
My work moved to that model, to get promoted you have to first work at that level for free.
Then, of course, they don’t promote you because you’re already doing the work for them. Why should they?
The ol’ bait and hate.
They’re master baiters.
I worked at Lowe’s for a little over a year. They constantly assigned me about 3-4 times the amount of work a human can do. They absolutely would not listen to me when I told them it was too much. They kept saying to do these tasks “in my downtime”.
I never had a minute of downtime. Every shift I was scrambling at 100 mph to get things done, and it never let up.
They just kept calling me in to talk about my performance, and when I’d say it was impossible they’d just say “it’s up to you to find the time”.
I eventually got fired, and thank god. My own self respect was dwindling the longer I put up with it. I should have quit, but didn’t have the courage to.
Lowe’s the same company that hires 50 or so old farts that can’t do shit or know shit that stand around talking not helping customers, all on the basis that “they’re veterans” so Lowe’s hires them for the image of “supporting veterans”
I can definitely be wrong, but since the US has a lot more of a veteran obsession culture than other countries there are probably laws that give companies major benefits (like idk tax credits) for hiring veterans, so they gain more for hiring those useless employees than they lose.
American employment applications typically ask if you are a veteran. Also if you are disabled. It helps them check boxes to prove that they don’t discriminate. Not sure what other benefits they get, but possibly something when it comes to veterans.
I BELIEVE you can gain certain tax breaks if you can prove that a certain percentage of your workforce is veterans or disabled people.
At the very least, I’m OK with it. Leveraging my autism diagnosis has gotten me a few positions in the past from employers wanting to tick those EEOC boxes.
I’d love to know if checking ‘disabled’ ever actually helped someone get a job though.
Yeah, I never checked it as a disabled person. I don’t trust employers.
I was on disability for a while. I no longer qualify, but the box often says if you are or were disabled. I still don’t check it. Like you, I don’t trust them.
Almost all of the people who work at my local Lowe’s are young adults. Twenties, thirties.
It’s Home Depot that did the hiring old people thing. They even paid for my grandfather’s funeral.
They made up a new word for hating your job and then put in three pictures of people on the edge of a breakdown. That’s not hating your job, that’s being crushed by your job. It’s right there in the photo. You can see it in their eyes.
I’d say most people hate their job because it is crushing them.
I wish that were true. But most people i know getting crushed/burning out like their job. It is much easier to take on “extra’s” when you are motivated by the work you are doing to the point of unsustainability.
I’ve never worked more than what my job description said. Want me to do more? Pay me for it.
Well said. I was exactly the same way. Co-workers always were amazed that I left the second the clock hit 5. Fuck them if they think I’m working a second for them for free.
Mostly same. My coworkers in Japan were shocked that I did not abide by the rule that I should come in (at least) 15 minutes early and stay (at least) 15 minutes late because I wasn’t going to do it unless I were getting an extra half an hour of pay for every day.
But hey, I was a great employee, and I didn’t get fired. I also did not give them that extra half an hour every day.
One of the benefits of my job (military) is my upward movement is almost entirely based on my motivation. A huge portion of the competition (as it is a competition) is a test on both the service at the level you’re moving into and your particular specialty. But there’s also time in rate (the pay grade you are currently at) and time in service, both of which get capped at a certain point (we call those “dinosaur points”) so your chances improve the longer you’re in. It also includes award points (medals, basically) and some other things, and finally employee review (the next largest chunk after the test).
So work hard to get a good review and study for a test, and you move up. But that’s not always a good thing. I sat at E-5 for a long time because I loved the job I was doing, and I was making decent money (about 60k after taxes), but then I was such a “senior” E-5 that I got to do the job I loved less (being a helicopter flight mechanic, maintaining and fixing aircraft) and the next level up stuff more (managing people, mentoring, supervising), so I just decided I would make the effort and get paid for it (which I did).
As much as people in my service complain about how advancement (promotion) works, every story I hear about how absolutely arbitrary and shitty it is in the civilian world I’m reminded how good I have it.
The US military really is one of the most socialist parts of our country*, it’d be hilarious if the average person was able to realize it.
*Other than all the money going to war-profiteering manufacturers.
It can work out if you have the right boss. That’s how I went from customer service agent to senior server engineer of a global company in 5 years.
Lol why are you getting downvoted, “your progress in this society is dependent on your luck of knowing people with power who like you” is a perfectly reasonable take
Because they didn’t present it that way.
That’s how I immediately interpreted it, looks that way to me
It’s because people on this site love to try to frame the world in black and white. They don’t seem to realize that there’s a pretty large space between ‘do literally everything your boss says’ and ‘do nothing but what’s explicitly outlined in your job description’
They don’t realize that doing extra work and not getting compensated monetarily isn’t giving the work away for free. It would be, if you continue to work for a managerial structure that doesn’t value their employees.
But, if that’s the case, then your compensation is in the training to grow your career. Get good at the new stuff and find a job that will pay you more for the new skills.
I wouldn’t have been able to go from a Helpdesk tech to a senior systems engineer if I never accepted projects that were more advanced than my job description. I treated that first job like an internship, and now I have a successful career.
You also have to know how to identify things that will advance your career, and learn how to say no to one’s that don’t.
Yum, rubber soles!
Huh?
We are the majority. The vast majority. It seems like we should be able to combat this.
I know, I know. All the systems are rigged against us all the world over. But it still baffles the mind that a relative handful of people can abuse all of us.
We are the majority. The vast majority. It seems like we should be able to combat this.
A disorganized majority is possibly worse than an individual at combating anything
So organise.
the systems are made of us.
I’ve also heard it referred to in some circles as Ligma
Oh, that sounds serious, what’s Ligma?
Ligma Balls
gottem
That was epic.
You’re a good sport.
They are trying to get to something that sticks lol.
Big Business: We’re gonna stop rewarding hard work and loyalty cause employees are nothing but replaceable chattel that don’t deserve respect, much less a decent living wage
Employees: Works only to the limit defined in their contract and not one inch more because they are horrifically underpaid, disrespected and treated like replaceable chattel
Big Business: God damn lazy workers just dont want to work anymore! What happened to this country?
Everyone with two functioning neurons of common sense: You. You happened to this country. Stop treating your employees like shit, Cause its not a worker problem, its a Boss/Executive problem
“Quiet quitting” didn’t really have that zing to it, eh?
I was trying to remember this term they used before. Thank you.
I remember quite quitting. Anyone else have one?
I have also quite quit at points in my lifetime.
Hasn’t this always been around? I think I even occasionally had related conditions but for chores, school work, … growing up until I found my interests in school and professionally
You should look up the phrase in the title.
I remember getting the email letting us know we should arrive early and be ready. I just keep walking in at my exact scheduled time because that’s when I start getting paid. I will bill a single minute of drive time. This is what you get for a .75 annual raise.
I thought we had agreed to call this quiet quitting
People stopped clicking on that.
Is the solution to revise the job so it isn’t toxic and terrible?
Maybe, remember your workers are in fact human beings?
Studies show that toxic businesses have lower productivity and stock value. Being friendly makes them money. Still, many can’t help themselves and do power games instead.
