There is only one conclusion possible: the war in Gaza is a war between two imperialist states.

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    not even gonna read this. terminally unserious topic. what Gazan state. what imperialism could they possibly have the capacity to do. you do not live in reality. you are playing with action figures and calling it politics.

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      No, you don’t understand, imperialism is when you fight people, and the Gazans are fighting fascists, meaning they are imperialist.

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      In contrast to the comrade, we are convinced that Gaza is not only a national entity but that the regime in Gaza has also several functions of a bourgeois state: it collects taxes and has an army, a juridical apparatus, detention facilities, intelligence and police personal, etc. It is the Hamas de-facto administration which exercises these state functions and has, since 2005, under the direction of a highly centralised command centre, been able to fire thousands rockets into Israeli territory. There is only one conclusion possible: the war in Gaza is a war between two imperialist states.

      Imperialism is when nations. Hamas collects taxes ergo its a nation ipso facto its imperialist. Checkmate.

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          More like 1921, as the well known imperialist ideologue, Lenin, explains (/s)

          But more seriously i’m really amazed at the ultras ability to quote Lenin but always goes completely against the meaning. Just yesterday some dumbass on deprogram was arguing that Lenin supported imperialists against national bourgeoisie and as such communists should support USA against Iran.

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    But the article is right when it says that the slogan “Palestine will be free, from the river to the sea” can only signify the ethnic cleansing of the Jewish population in the region between the Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea, “a Nakba in reverse”.

    shoulder-grab

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    This has the same energy of that one left com party saying that the war is happening cause of the Palestinian bourgeoisie.

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    The distinction of Lenin between oppressor and oppressed nations is not wrong, but it does not touch upon the roots of the capitalist mode of production. Oppression and oppressed are superstructural features that have no direct relation with the basis and an abolition of a particular form of oppression has no fundamental impact on the material conditions of capitalist society.

    This is so fucking wrong. Oppressed and oppressor are base features. I hate trots so much.

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      Social relations are indeed superstructure (i think so anyway), but it is blatantly anti-dialectical to assume that changes in the superstructure do not impact the base. And it is even more absurd to ignore such dynamics given that they are the basis of literally all revolutionary movements.

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        I harped on base because so much of what the Zionist entity does to Palestine - denying them food and water, bombing them 24/7, forcibly evicting them, hunting them for sport - definitely affects their ability to meet their needs materially, as well as how they go about meeting those needs. IIRC the superstructure was more social, cultural, and political aspects that arise from and reinforce the base, but I don’t think superstructure refers to the relation itself.

        Regardless, they ignore how one affects the other as you pointed out.

  • Evilphd666 [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    morshupls Well Lenin blah blah nothing nothing Lenin I said magic word Lenin…

    Palestine doesn’t exist and deserves to be trampled on because it is oppressed and not a socialist entity pflp-octoplushie blah blah Religious political (what the fuck do you think isntrael is?) Blah Lenin I said Lenin Lenin Lenin.

    Let me inject my bullshit pulled out of my ass shit and inject Lenin Lenin Lenin odut of context and without relevance.

    So is “T” from pigmask-off Germany a fedposting or an AI prompt or a dirty hamas-base Hasbara?