• irmoz
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    Not from the state. From the community. And the community would be happy for more nice stuff

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      1 year ago

      That’s really naive. You think that there is an infinite amount of goods you can redistribute to anyone who wants it?

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        Nope, and there doesn’t need to be. The market can be planned democratically with goods produced and distributed according to need, and that would in fact require far less work than our current paradigm of producing endless amounts until demand dries up - if demand even existed in the first place - and only distributing to those who can afford it.

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          But what if one wanted/needed more of some goods than others? It’s impossible to plan everything, even when it’s “democratic”.

          And if someone critically needs something, and can’t afford it - that’s what social help is for.

          Stop planing my life, stop deciding for me. That’s what freedom is, freedom we fought for.

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            If you need more, you get more. And this becomes a lot simpler by including more people in the decisions and mechanisms. Leaving it to disconnected oligarchs as we do now is how we get inequality.

            And if you want to decide how you live your own life, why are you against being given a voice and the ability to make your life better? Having no voice in your workplace, and having to follow the orders of a separate owning class who owns your time is the definition of having others plan your life.

            The objections you raise are objections to capitalism, not socialism. Under capitalism, you only get what you can afford. Under socialism, you get what you need, there is no “afford”.