Background: I’m Chinese by origin but grew up in the west. He’s English. He’s kind of a LIB but in a lefty way and has been with me to China multiple times, we’ve been together for years. He has had misconceptions before but is always learning. He does go on Reddit still, mostly to talk about land value tax which is his big political obsession right now.

Anyway last night we were at dinner and talking about an idea for a project that’s like quora but with only expert/academic researchers as responders. Part of it would need a reputation rating for the researchers. We were then talking about the use cases/audience for the project and I said “this might be better suited to Asia” (because of how highly education is valued and the pressure on kids to study/achieve grades). And he immediately responded “because they’re used to social credit scores?” Like. Without missing a beat. Maybe I’m overthinking it but it really pissed me off that his first association when I mentioned Asia was… this.

We talked about it and he explained that the concept was already in his mind when he was thinking about the reputation system so it wasn’t just a reaction to Asia specifically. But he insisted that he knew social credit scores were a real thing. I think he did listen when I said these types of jokes were what made Reddit such a hostile environment to be in, though.

I’m not sure what I’m asking but I just wanted to get it off my chest. Does anyone maybe have resources on internet Sinophobia / explanation of where the social credit stuff came from I can share with him?

Thanks crew. Sorry that was so long x

  • Vlhacs
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    Instead of getting offended, maybe explain what it really is then? If the social credit context fits well with the use case you two were discussing, what is the issue with it being bought up? He insists it was real, but if its not then explain to him where he is wrong then?

    I understand there’s western propaganda, but if social credit really is not a thing then be patient and help to deprogram him

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      6 months ago

      If a white person is racist then it’s their fault for being racist. It’s possible to simultaneously be angered by a person’s wrong behavior and educate them on where they went wrong, which sounds like what OP is doing?

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      Other comrades are a bit hostile, understandable given how federated folks tend to engage. I’ll try to have a good faith discussion since I have a decent amount of patience today, I can’t write it all out so please mind that I’ll have you do some of your own homework if you want to know what is genuinely true or false.

      I linked this podcast in a comment to this post, here’s a USian who is well versed in legal matters (he reads and interprets Chinese legal documents) who explains what the deal is with social credit.