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    Tell that to practical realities lived under the Marxist-Leninist authorities.

    The way I see it, ideology is like religion. More often than not, theory and practice do not align. It is especially the case with communism. And look, I will be blunt, you’re committing “No true Scotsman” fallacy. You’re right in theory, but again, the practical reality says otherwise. You claim there are no true communists or Marxist-Leninists who would advocate for wanton violence, but the reality is that there plenty of examples. The Bolsheviks arrested farmers who are apparently too rich. But it is an excuse for collectivisation of farms under state control. Marx also did not believe in the existence of state (he thought it should be a transitional entity towards collective ownership of production under classless structure). And yet, no state who profess to be communists, or its variation, ever relinquished power.

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      Having grown up in USSR, I think I understand the practical realities of Marxist-Leninist authority a hell of a lot better than you. I implore you to spend he time actually learn about the subject you’re attempting to debate here because all you’re doing is just making straw man arguments out of ignorance. You also evidently have no understanding of what Marx actually said.

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        Right, so you are a communist. I should not be surprised then.

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          Sounds like you are surprised when confronted with what somebody who actually lived in a communist country tells you about it. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that you think you know more about communism than people who actually experienced it though. That’s very American of you.

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            Very arrogant and presumptuous of you think I’m an American.

            If you are what you claim you are, what can you say about gulags and the purges in the Soviet Union?

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              US has a higher prison population today than USSR did even under Stalin. So, if gulags are bad, then clearly what we see under capitalism is even worse. Meanwhile, not sure what specifically you need to be told about the purges. All revolutions are messy, and require purging the regressive elements.

              What’s really telling is that people like you always have to reach back to the days right after the revolution to find something to complain about ignoring all the decades of how USSR developed after. You’ve just memorized a handful of tropes and you regurgitate them thinking that you’re making some intelligible points here.

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                The purges happened years after the Bolsheviks gained power. The gulags continued until the fall of the Soviet Union.

                So, what would you say about hundreds and thousands of people arrested for simply making a joke, owning a farm, being captured soldiers who escaped from German captivity, making mistakes on a job, the music apparently isn’t working class enough. What do you make of these accounts?

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                    Gulag, labour camps. They’re still prison camps in different name as per the same article you cited: “The Gulag institution was closed by the MVD order No 020 of January 25, 1960 but forced labor colonies for political and criminal prisoners continued to exist. Political prisoners continued to be kept in one of the most famous camps Perm-36 until 1987 when it was closed.”

                    You still haven’t addressed the accounts of those imprisoned. What do you make of those who were arrested? Do you approve or disapprove of the arrests, before and after Stalin’s rule?