• @irmoz
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    66 months ago

    Sorry, but a market requires a state to protect it. How else are we gonna make sure no one steals our shit?

        • @AlDente@sh.itjust.works
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          26 months ago

          That’s nice, but the claim was that a market cannot exist without a state. It clearly can. Nobody needs to outsource their security. I’m not sure what efficiency has to do with this.

            • @AlDente@sh.itjust.works
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              6 months ago

              An example of someone taking ownership of their own security? If so, the most basic form would be carrying a firearm for defense instead of relying on police. If you want an example with more of a link to the market, how about a illicit drug dealer who protects their person and property?

              Edit: Upon reflection, it seems that the existence of any black market proves the point.

              • @irmoz
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                6 months ago

                If you think the black market doesn’t have a central authority, you’re looking through rose tinted glasses. Whoever has the most money and the most guns at their disposal is the authority. The black market is actually a perfect example of where capitalist market economics lead without regulation.

                • @AlDente@sh.itjust.works
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                  16 months ago

                  Hold up, I thought we were talking about the state running things? Of course everything has a central authority; this includes unions, churches, and corporations. Though, we certainly don’t need the state for a black market to run its business. However, I guess it wouldn’t really be a black market if there wasn’t a state to declare things illegal 🤔.

                  I absolutely agree with your second half though. The black market is a perfect capitalist example, and I believe it is an inevitable response to state authoritarianism.

                  • @irmoz
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                    26 months ago

                    Hold up, I thought we were talking about the state running things?

                    Why?

                    Of course everything has a central authority; this includes unions, churches, and corporations.

                    What do you mean, “of course”?

                    Though, we certainly don’t need the state for a black market to run its business.

                    If there weren’t a state, it would just be a “market”, not a black market. And as I said, black markets are controlled by the most wealthy and powerful in that market. They are the de facto state of the black market.

                    However, I guess it wouldn’t really be a black market if there wasn’t a state to declare things illegal 🤔.

                    Exactly, yes.

                    I absolutely agree with your second half though. The black market is a perfect capitalist example, and I believe it is an inevitable response to state authoritarianism

                    If you consider regulation authoritarian, sure. Or if you’re referring to the outlawing of drugs, I somewhat agree. Weapons trading is grey at best, though.

      • @irmoz
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        16 months ago

        But I ain’t got no shit cos a bigger guy took it all.