• irmoz
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    It would take a civil war and a revolution to change, at minimum.

    No shit lmao. Tell someone who doesn’t know.

    It will never be constitutional, relegating it extraconstitutional. Okay.

    What a shocker. This would be against the wishes of the state?? Wow, I didn’t realise governments don’t allow themselves to be overthrown.

    Your movement becomes a zero-authority completely dependent on authoritarianism to sustain, winning over the hearts and minds of the people. Nice.

    Is it authoritarian, or a grassroots movement? Make up your mind. Or are you saying that a movement that actually wins hearts and minds is somehow authoritatian?

    I never said true proletarian democracy is an impossibility, since a negative cannot be proven. I’m simply suggesting that the United States is not, and never has been the place for one, by institution

    Don’t confuse a state with its territory. There is nothing about the dirt and stone those roads are paved over that negates the possibility. There is no “place” it is for. The state would fight it, that’s what you’re saying.

    And, once again - SHOCKER!

    • This is bringing back memories of the Libertarian Free State Project that has been ongoing for a little over twenty-two years now.

      The project’s ultimate goal is to take over the local and state governments of New Hampshire and secede from the United States to become their own sovereign country. They may have quieted that rhetoric in recent years, but it is and has always been their plan.

      The Libertarians run and operate on a platform of non-aggression, opting to adhere by the authority of the state—of which I assure they see as every bit of an oxymoron as you do—to enact their political means. The grim reality is that once the project attempts secession, it will almost certainly be met with a swift end.

      This is a real problem that has been discussed at length by the Libertarian community, and they have opted for the non-aggression principle as their best chance for success in practice. If a peaceful, by the book compliant state cannot achieve “Liberty in Your Lifetime!” playing by the rules without being mowed down, what hope does an aggressive movement have?

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        9 months ago

        If a peaceful, by the book compliant state cannot achieve “Liberty in Your Lifetime!” playing by the rules without being mowed down, what hope does an aggressive movement have?

        How can you be so naive?

        • How can you be so naive?

          This is their strategy, not mine.

          Their concluding factor is that governments are monopolies of violence. Like I said, this is a practical movement by people willing to put their asses on the line, not simple armchair theory.

          I am simply asking because you clearly find the alternative superior.

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            Why exactly do you think that…?