• irmoz
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    9 months ago

    No they are not lol. One actually happened and is real damage, the other is a misconception.

    That’s what i fucking said. Why did you cut off the part where I said that, and pretend I wasn’t aware of this?

    you were just wrong in the first instance.

    This is outright lying by omission. We agree on this fact, yet you’re pretending otherwise in order to troll me.

    People feel emotions based on misperceptions all the time. Happy because we thought we heard our significant other’s car driving home, but it was someone else. Sad because we thought we heard them crying, but they were laughing.

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      That’s what i fucking said. Why did you cut off the part where I said that, and pretend I wasn’t aware of this?

      Because you constantly contradict yourself. You do say “And since our perceptions can deceive us, we can mistakenly think an action is harmful.” So, there is no harm. So, an offense didn’t cause harm. So, you agree with me?

      We agree on this fact, yet you’re pretending otherwise in order to troll me.

      I’m not trolling I’m trying to keep up with your distinctions between real damage, perceived damage, no damage, and 0 damage. You seem to be creating new metrics and measurements constantly to fill gaps in your logic.

      People feel emotions based on misperceptions all the time. Happy because we thought we heard our significant other’s car driving home, but it was someone else. Sad because we thought we heard them crying, but they were laughing.

      Yes but FFS look at what you said. You said offense is inextricably tied to damage. Not perception of damage, not feelings, damage. Damage means there was actual damage done. You feeling like there was damage done doesn’t mean there was damage done. You feeling like I stole money doesn’t cause damage. So you being offended doesn’t mean there is damage at all, in any sense. Me and another adult can be alone in a room and they can get offended I say “fuck” in front of them, that causes no damage at all to anyone. There is no harm at all. It is a single word that has no impact or real meaning. They are not damaged or harmed by me saying a single word. By your logic they would be damaged in some way, what way would they be damaged in?

      Edit: I’ma go ahead and enjoy the rest of my day since I just wrapped up work. If you wanna keep going back and forth feel free to have at me and I’ll respond tomorrow.

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        9 months ago

        You have to perceive damage to be offended by it. And you can be mistaken in perceiving it. And that doesn’t actually deal damage. I’ve said this before. You keep arguing for no reason.

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          You have to perceive damage to be offended by it.

          Perceiving means nothing, stop trying to change your stance lol. You said “They aren’t separate issues at all; the fact of someone being offended is inextricably linked to the fact of it being damaging.” The fact of it BEING damaging, not perceived as damaging. There can be no damage at all, meaning there was an offense with no damage.

          And that doesn’t actually deal damage. I’ve said this before. You keep arguing for no reason.

          Because you contradict yourself constantly because you’ve realized that what you said makes no sense so you’ve taken this new “perceived damage” angle in order to save face.

          You said an offense is linked to the FACT OF IT BEING DAMAGING. The fact. Of it being damaging. If something is damaging it causes damage. That’s how that works. It something doesn’t cause damage it’s not damaging. So if an offense happens and it’s damaging, like you said, there would be damage. Full stop.

          Stop trying to weasel out of what you said lol.