Following the other thread (550 upvotes and 366 comments at the moment: https://lemmy.world/post/16211417), one of the complaints that people had what that some communities only exist on lemmy.ml and don’t have alternatives on other instances.

Let’s discuss this and see if we can organize together.

I suggest to have one topic per comment so that is is easier to discuss.

  • BlazeOPEnglish
    19·
    22 days ago

    Hello Raphael,

    For the first question, I redirect you to the thread linked in the OP: https://lemmy.world/post/16211417

    For the second question, I guess this is beyond the scope of this discussion. Having communities unlinked to an instance would require a complete rework of Lemmy, this thread is just about moving away from lemmy.ml due to some abuse reported in the other thread.

    • rglullis@communick.newsEnglish
      4·
      22 days ago

      What If I told you that it does not require a complete rework of Lemmy, but instead just additional services to use instances as independent “ActivityPub group servers”?

      • BlazeOPEnglish
        9·
        22 days ago

        Are those services available today?

        • rglullis@communick.newsEnglish
          7·
          22 days ago

          @freeman@sh.itjust.works and @Majestic@lemmy.ml, what is so offensive about Blaze’s question that warrants downvotes?

              • BlazeOPEnglish
                5·
                22 days ago

                Downvotes can be seen by any admin of any instance

                • AchtungDrempels@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  5·
                  21 days ago

                  That’s great. If the admin of my instance would be this petty over something harmless like a downvote i would definitely leave the instance and i have never seen any admin make names of a downvoter public before.

          • azuth@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            4·
            22 days ago

            Do you think I will somehow be blackmailed because you tagged me dude?

            I am downvoting all participants in this grassroots campaign against lemmy developers and diverse political opinions.

            • rglullis@communick.newsEnglish
              10·
              22 days ago

              Nothing in this discussion is against Lemmy developers, and no one is trying to silence their voices. It’s just about creating/finding alternatives for those that are not interested in interacting with that instance.

              Also, me calling you out is not “blackmailing”, just me ensuring that downvotes like yours don’t become a pile-on.

              • azuth@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                3·
                22 days ago

                … Do you think I can just keep the last comment in mind or something?

                The discussion takes place in a post linking https://lemmy.world/post/16211417 . Surely that brings it into scope? The linked post begins

                I feel like we need to talk about Lemmy’s massive tankie censorship problem

                That does seem hostile to me. As does the drive to try and split communities

                Also, me calling you out is not “blackmailing”, just me ensuring that downvotes like yours don’t become a pile-on.

                You have to be kidding me. Why would tagging people who downvoted a post prevent a pile-on of downvotes? Is it a lemmy bug? Or is it that some people who would want to downvote your post would be intimidated by being ‘called out’? Maybe my English is bad but vote->get called-out seems to fit ‘blackmail’ just fine.

                • rglullis@communick.newsEnglish
                  6·
                  22 days ago

                  Do you think I can just keep the last comment in mind or something?

                  YES! It’s not like votes are worth anything here, but one of the reasons that voting mechanisms become completely useless as a way to signal quality conversations is when people blindly upvote/downvote everything just because they don’t like what is being said. People that do what you are doing end up showing more about themselves than about the one posting the comment that you didn’t like.

                  As does the drive to try and split communities

                  Would you feel so defensive about it if the communities were being hosted in a right-wing instance?

                  Why would tagging people who downvoted a post prevent a pile-on of downvotes?

                  Because it makes people think about what about the comment they are downvoting, instead of reflexively clicking on a button.

                  vote->get called-out seems to fit ‘blackmail’

                  It does not fit at all. I’m not trying to get anything out of you for my own benefit, and I am not doing it to submit you into compliance.

                  • azuth@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                    3·
                    22 days ago

                    YES! It’s not like votes are worth anything here, but one of the reasons that voting mechanisms become completely useless as a way to signal quality conversations is when people blindly upvote/downvote everything just because they don’t like what is being said. People that do what you are doing end up showing more about themselves than about the one posting the comment that you didn’t like.

                    Indeed voting is worthless here, you do not get blocked from posting like reddit so there’s no silencing effect. Voting has always been about whether you agree or not with an opinion, not about the quality of a conversation (an abstract concept, realistically immeasurable). Yes reddit had/has the Reddiquette, it was not ever actually followed by the users. Turns out you can’t just redefine thing on a whim.

                    Would you feel so defensive about it if the communities were being hosted in a right-wing instance?

                    Right-wing as in neo-nazi ? I would not join a community in that server. Right wing as in pro-Israelor pro-capitalism? I do participate and get in meaningless flame wars when their callousness gets the best of me. I will not hold it against communities that do not deal with these issues and are just hosted on that instance.

                    Because it makes people think about what about the comment they are downvoting, instead of reflexively clicking on a button.

                    Think of what?

                    It does not fit at all. I’m not trying to get anything out of you for my own benefit, and I am not doing it to submit you into compliance.

                    Does not voting against your post not count as compliance?