• المنطقة عكف عفريت@lemmy.world
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    16 days ago

    I fucking hate how OpenAi and other such companies claim their models “understand” language or are “fluent” in French. These are human attributes. Unless they made a synthetic brain, they can take these claims and shove them up their square tight corporate behinds.

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      16 days ago

      I though I would have an aneurism reading their presentation page on Sora.

      They are saying Sora can understand and simulate complex physics in 3D space to render a video.

      How can such bullshit go unchallenged. It drives me crazy.

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      16 days ago

      This is circular logic: only humans can be fluent, so the models can’t be fluent because they aren’t human.

      And it’s universally upvoted…in response to an ais getting things wrong so they can’t be doing anything but hallucinating.

      And will you learn from this? Nope. I’ll just be down voted and shouted at.

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        16 days ago

        It’s not circular. LLMs cannot be fluent because fluency comes from an understanding of the language. An LLM is incapable of understanding so it is incapable of being fluent. It may be able to mimic it but that is a different thing. (In my opinion)

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          16 days ago

          You might agree with the conclusion, and the conclusion might even be correct, but the poster effectively argued ‘only humans can be fluent, and it’s not a human so it isn’t fluent’ and that is absolutely circular logic.

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            16 days ago

            If we ignore the other poster, do you think the logic in my previous comment is circular?

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              16 days ago

              Hard to say. You claim they are incapable of understanding, which is why they can’t be fluent. however, really, the whole argument boils down to whether they are capable of understanding. You just state that as if it’s established fact, and I believe that’s an open question at this point.

              So whether it is circular depends on why you think they are incapable of understanding. If it’s like the other poster, and it’s because that’s a human(ish) only trait, and they aren’t human…then yes.