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Ironically, doing research is the best way to be right. What people want is to feel right without having to think very hard. Feelings don’t really require energy in the same way that thinking does.
More than just research is needed and that’s what many miss. One must be able to reliably evaluate the quality of evidence to sort fact from baloney. Doing so requires critical thinking, the ability to be able to poke holes in theories regardless of whether you like them or not, and the willingness to be wrong and, above all else, the mental flexibility to update your knowledge when proven so. Not everyone is able to do that.
I am used to being wrong a lot so it comes naturally lol.
I end most of my thoughts with “but I may be wrong”
I start them like that. Anxiety is a bitch
Plus the methodology. There’s an idea of actively seeking out research contrary to one’s hypothesis, this helps circumvent the confirmation bias of only looking for things that support a hypothesis and ignoring anything contradictory. It can be healthy to find and consider dissenting opinions.
Another fundamental issue is people using different meanings for similar words. Someone with a strong understanding of scientific method will say things like “I believe” or “studies show”, while someone else will say things like “This is” or “we know”. Colloquially the latter is stronger language conveying more confidence, but the former is more likely to be evidence based. “Theory” is used colloquially the way a scientist would use “hypothesis”. People will say “I have a theory”, that’s only a few sentences and doesn’t make any reliable predictions, the put down an actual theory backed by years of supporting evidence and peer review as “just a theory”.
Feelings are SUPER important to humans because they’re a huge efficiency boost. We take everything we’ve ever learned in our lives and crunch it down into a feeling for how the world works. Then we make the vast majority of our decisions by using that “gut feeling”. Can you imagine how ridiculously inefficient it would be to have to analyze every new scenario you come across?
The big problem today is that people lean in too hard on that idea and assume that because their feelings are right most of the time, feelings must be equivalent to truth.
The problem is that the efficiency is achieved through shortcuts and biases. It’d those biases people need to be careful with.
Works fine when you’re a wild animal, not so much when you’re part of a society
In other words, shortcuts and biases really just trade accuracy for speed.
Those many cognitive biases we succumb to may be great for scenarios faced by hominids a hundred thousand years ago or more. But for sussing out truth and evaluating evidence, they’re straight caca.
Can you imagine how ridiculously inefficient it would be to have to analyze every new scenario you come across?
I have adhd so I do not need to imagine it.
Can you imagine how ridiculously inefficient it would be to have to analyze every new scenario you come across?
The problem arises from the fact that the internet in particular incentivizes attracting attention above all other things and there’s no incentive for being correct, nuanced or well-researched. Combine that with the fact that people like to be right about things and doubly so when everyone else is wrong about it and you create a world where conspiracy, woo and other bullshit is actually an industry. I feel like that’s part that always gets lost in these discussions: people are making money from this.
Third option: they’ve fallen into a pattern recognition fallacy and think it’s a number when it’s a completely different symbol. This happens a lot more often than most realize and even knowing about it, it can be difficult to go against the human instinct to find patterns that may or may not exist and then fit the data to it.
Someone, somewhere, will misrepresent this to give credence to the “do your own research” crowd.
Which is not to discredit the message. They misrepresent everything.
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GTFO! Clearly a drawing of a sanitary door hook. This is war!
See, this meme is annoyed at the ramifications of epistemological relativism.
I am extremely annoyed by the superfluous commas.
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That grammar is shit as hell, too.
“Just because you are right
Does not mean
I am wrong
Except my grammar
Which sucks doodie”
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I really like this take.
I’m a little amused that in the comic both viewers are correct relative to their frame of reference. An extremely powerful concept that significantly advanced physics and about which famous people are household names.
I’m a little amused that in the comic both viewers are correct relative to their frame of reference. An extremely powerful concept that significantly advanced physics and about which famous people are household names.
You accidentally made the wrong point, because Einstein’s breakthrough of special relativity was that the speed of light is constant regardless of reference frame.
So if two people with different frames of reference are measuring the speed of light differently, at least one of them is objectively wrong.
But if they measure the order of events differently, they may both be correct. That is because light is always perceived as being the same speed regardless of the observer.
And yet, causality is preserved, and there is a clear specific mathematical relationship between the two frames of reference.
So you will measure differently, but as soon as you do the math to account for your different frames of reference, you will again have the same measurements. Of course, we know there is an objective mathematical relationship between the two frames of reference, because the speed of light is constant.
If you assume this is the entirety of the universe of the comic (perhaps encased in a spherical cow), sure.
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What the everloving fuck did I read?
First of all, I don’t know who you think you are talking to but I am not lying. I 100% know how abuse affects you as I was abused most of my childhood and teenage years. I am not playing any cards, I am reminding you that calling people selfish and lazy when you do not know them based on something like grammar is ignoring multitudes of factors you have no idea of using myself as an example. And this is not a work email. It is informal language used in meme. And by the way, even though I am using a grammar checker on all that I write, it is not perfect. Of course, people also check the language when it is more relevant but the majority of people are not using it for all texts.
My point is less about bad grammar and correcting it and more about how you are going around correcting it. You also have no business defining what I should and shouldn’t take from your writings when you didn’t spell it out. My point is that requiring perfect grammar when you do not know the person writing from Eve is problematic especially when you call everyone with bad grammar selfish and lazy. Taking the multitudes of factors that can cause people to have bad grammar into account is not a problem. Painting everyone with the same negative brush is.
I am telling the truth, too. I myself even have touches of dyslexia myself, and yet here I am not using it as an excuse to make life harder than everyone else.
So do millions of other people. And so are you, responding with high school/college level spelling, vocabulary and grammar which you are somehow mysteriously capable of doing when you want to win something.
So clearly, it is possible to expect dyslexic people – like myself and my friends – to be held to the same standards as everyone else.
You don’t have a right to demand people assume everyone who refuses to watch their spelling and grammar is dyslexic.
You don’t have a right to demand no one hold anyone else accountable for anything intellectual or to not let us expect people to know, understand, or do anything. That’s not how life works.
If you are dyslexic, you have to be doubly careful because of it. And it may not seem fair to you, but life isn’t fair, and what you want is an unfair burden on everyone else, including us other dyslexics who do understand that.
You doing that is insulting to the rest of us who do have various learning disabilities and struggles who have to be associated with lazy, selfish people like yourself who think that you’re entitled to skate because of it. You are not, we want to be treated as equals to everyone else, and here you are fucking it up using our disability to imply we’ll never be as good as everyone else and therefore have to have our hand held and treated as an inferior, and I am telling you no, you will not demand we be mollycoddled because you think no one has a right to hold anyone responsible for anything.
Disabilities are not excuses and you’re not going to turn them into one. You have to adhere to the same standards as everyone else whether you like it or not.
It’s rarely that simple. This post misses the point; and is just an excuse to insist that YOU’RE right and no need to try and understand the other side or hear them out.
I don’t think the post is saying who’s right is simple, but that both of them need to do more research until there’s enough context to perform a proper assessment. In the situation shown there is not enough information to determine what the facts are and it’s bad for either of them to form an opinion on incomplete context. I agree with the counterpoint, if the situation is vague, do more research first.
That’s not as obvious as the commenter made it out to be. My entire life experience differs from someone else, some points are as obvious to me as the sky being blue, but others don’t have the same experience. This applies to so much in life; one minority knows the reality of discrimination and hate crimes and their neighbor is blissfully ignorant of that existence; and consequently end up on opposite sides of a debate and both claiming that their experience is the reality. Telling a victim of racism that they just “need to do more research” is only going to insult them. That goes back to my point that people should try to understand the other person’s mindset, not necessarily the same.
You’re basically just agreeing with the correction in the meme but assuming the exact opposite result. In your example of a victim of racism and one who isn’t, there is one truth. Racism exists. The person who says it doesn’t because they don’t see it is objectively wrong.
The original meme is saying the victim of racism is right, but also the person who says it doesn’t exist is also right.
I don’t think you’d agree with that. Moreover, the explanation is very clear that it isn’t choosing one over the other. You did so for some reason to try and get people to emotionally react. One person is wrong. Unless it’s a work of art and the artist didn’t intend to be vague, the painter clearly painted one or the other. Without context, you don’t know, so you should find out before claiming anyone is right.
The person who says it doesn’t because they don’t see it is objectively wrong.
One person is wrong.
That’s not what the meme is saying, neither is objectively right, they just have different perspectives on the same object they see.
Then your example was poorly chosen. And the meme is poorly formed because it’s technically wrong.
No it’s a good example that shows how your assumption of the meme CAN be wrong.
I dont think anyone is gonna listen to your points since they already labeled you as their enemy. It always happens to those that sugest that oposing sides should understeand each other and work togheter. I guess its because they always asume you are talking about usa politics, their bypartisan culture wars are a giant cespool and see them everywhere, and those that sugest that they should work togheter get bashed in here.
I think you are right tough, even if there is a universal truth, we should come togheter to organize how we are gonna face it. Like with your example, people that doesnt suffer racism should understeand that there are people that do suffer it so that they can call it out when they see it and people that do suffer it should understeand that there are some that are willing to help and even fight alongside them to call out injustices, so that they know that they have alies, and thats where im gonna leave it at since i dont wanna get to much into a subject that i dont know much about.
Otherwise just let this one go.
So you agree some perspectives are wrong then at least. So you don’t adhere to your own interpretation.
What if the painter was intentionaly vague
What if the painter meant a 6 but an entire culture, entire nations of people have be interpreting it as a 9. For hundreds of years this has been known as “the place with the big 9.” The author’s interpretation of the meme is stupid. Human-decided things like this do not have objective right and wrong the same way that facts about the physical world do.
The painter made a single sentence to make a simple point. The next person replied with two paragraphs about how they interpreted a much more complicated point, and in doing so missed their own point.
The irony is the “one of these people is wrong, somebody painted a six or a nine” is overtly false in this situation. Given the message of the original image, the artist spefically draw a symbol that could be interpreted two ways, and therefore (by design) both figures are equally and partially correct.
I don’t believe we should abandon all pursuit of truth or objectivity, but the commentor is really making the artists case for them.
The Artist’s intent/message is based on a symbol that can be interpreted two ways, yes. But it is a massive oversimplification for the sake of validating opinions that are plainly wrong.
The Artist’s point can only be conveyed by creating a situation where there is no context, so neither opinion can be validated. This is inapplicable in any way IRL because there is always context that will validate a specific opinion with facts. The comment just highlights that this situation is contrived and couldn’t, or shouldn’t, happen in such a way.
It warns of taking Data out of context to suit a specific narrative.
“The building is behind me therefore it’s a six”
“But the number should be facing away from the building therefore it’s a nine”
Me, an intellectual: “I want egg”
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