I would be real disappointed if that was true
Also, why are pronouns bad when we do it?
We are the right wing? Does this mean we can get corporate funding and unlimited access to the mainstream media?
shit, I forgot to give the Heritage Foundation my direct deposit details
I can’t wait for my first wingnut welfare check 🤑
“Ok guys I just got this great idea for how we can troll the left, it’s really funny I promise, what if we like, what if we all like, set up a community where we pretend to be commies, and also a bunch of us were like, trans and gay and stuff? No no like hear me out we would like ban anyone who says slurs or questions the validity of trans people in any way, lol. Like, what if we designed a bunch of custom emojis with the trans flag and made everyone display pronouns next to the name to make sure nobody gets misgendered? That’d be so funny lol. But we HAVE to make sure nobody catches on, so we should just like, keep the bit to ourselves for a couple years, we’d have to like, spend a couple years hanging out in that kinda space with just us until we can perfect the bit. Ok so who’s down?”
Seriously, have these people met chuds before? I’d be impressed to see one that could keep the mask on for like a day.
Don’t forget having fucking reading groups and forums for learning about leftist theory and history and having many users on hand who can discuss Marxist, etc. works with a great deal of familiarity, often readily including citations and encouraging people to do their own reading.
This is some “Judeo-Bolshevism” level shit
Would you be able to recommend some threads/comms that discuss theory and history? I’m new to hexbear and want to read up.
Listen to the Blowback podcast and the official podcast of the community founded around the podcast Chapo Trap House, which is Citations Needed.
Thanks for recommending, I’ll be sure to check those out.
/c/theory and /c/marxism if you haven’t seen them yet.
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Thanks, I’ve subscribed.
Highly recommend this reading-
someall of the audio links still work I think https://hexbear.net/post/48476Thanks for the link, I have some reading to do.
The reading never ends, but it’s worth it.
This thread has some really good reading recommendations as well.
We need more text heavy memes. It’s the only way to prove our credentials.
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This sounds kinda gay, I’m in
I don’t think they have met CHUDs. They talk about them, but almost never actually interact with them. So their entire idea about them is concocted in their own heads. That way they don’t risk being challenged by the way the CHUDs use exactly the same arguments as libs.
You might have a point. I guess most of us here are better at understanding what goes on inside the heads of chuds, compared to the average person.
At the same time, I think a lot of the stuff people say about us are symbolic beliefs that have more to do with the person saying them. For example, I don’t think libs “really” think we’re bots or foreign agents, but denouncing us as such lets them reaffirm their loyalty to the state. And this “secretly right-wing” stuff has the same feel. They believe it the same way people “believed” that Trump was going to make Mexico pay for the wall, they just like the way it feels when it comes out of their mouth.
Exactly right, at least as far as I can tell. Their complaints about us are ultimately immaterial. They’re just “bad things.” we are a collection of “bad things” to them, so they don’t have to listen to us. We make them uncomfortable, because Liberalism doesn’t actually explain anything about the world, but we clearly do have some kind of understanding of things that they lack. That’s threatening to their worldview.
But if they can put us in the “secretly right wing” box, then all our arguments are just “trickery” trying to trick them, the most important people. So they can feel justified in dismissing us without thought because we’re part of the bad guy team. Cognitive dissonance resolved.
The thing that gets me is how none of these explanations make any sense in the context that we were on our own for three years. No one’s doing an act for three years, especially with nobody to troll. No government is paying foreign agents to talk to each other. And like you said it’s very self-centered, almost to the point of solipsism, like my opinion is so important that people are concocting these elaborate ruses to try and fool me, as opposed to the idea that… people just think differently than you? Just an utter unwillingness to consider that anyone might exist who doesn’t fit neatly into one of the two mainstream American cultural boxes. Social chauvinists tbqh.
It’s really self-serving isn’t it? The liberals on lemmy are just so damn important that you’d fake 3 full years of posts where you “pretend” to be leftists just to try and fool them when you finally ended up federating.
It’s pure conspiracy theory logic really. The idea that “any evidence against my position is actually just a ruse, regardless of how impossible it would be to actually set that up.” Not to mention how much of a waste it would be, what would it even accomplish? If we convinced some shitlib that the whole system is bullshit, then what happens? They just don’t vote for Biden next election. Business as usual. It changes nothing about the US, except that maybe the representative of the bourgeoisie is an orange clown of an old man instead of just standard white old man.
Yeah and you see a lot of stuff that’s like, in one of the first news threads we were in someone was like, “Just bring up Tiananmen Square, that’ll make 'em go away,” (and get absolutely dogpiled) and today I saw someone post that copypasta with the Chinese characters that’s supposed to dispel Chinese bots or agents, and it’s like, those things never work. They have to know they never work. It really is just an article of faith, it’s clutching your beads and repeating a mantra until the demons leave you alone.
I guess they technically work in a sense. Like yeah, if someone goes:
“Tinyman square yogurt genocide checkmate tankies.”
Yeah, I’ll probably just leave them alone. They aren’t worth talking to.
Though it is the internet debate equivalent of shitting your pants to get everyone else to leave the room. They just don’t understand how they aren’t actually “winning” so much as they are “not worth wasting time interacting with.”
Yeah I think a bit of the “secretly right-wing” is about morality. It also is about authority and not really thought out concepts of violence and force. There also is the “intention” and “effect” thing going on with sane-ism. Parenti and Lenin said lots of it well, too.
Incredible bit idea though, getting a bunch of
on estrogen for 3 years learning about queer theory to stick it to the libsTrying to figure out if I can use this irl, like, “No, see, I’m only transitioning to act as a deep cover operative so I can find and expose the grooming rings, can I count on your cooperation in keeping up my disguise by calling me by a different name and pronouns?”
CW: antisemitism
Even at the peak of the the bizarre frenworld stuff when they tried their damnedest to keep the mask on there’d be a happy merchant or triple parens in every thread
Also I spend too much time here I started spelling “bullshit” B-O-L-S-H from transcribing my inner monologue.
I’m not a shield. I’m the got damned bear eating your face.
😔
Wait we have cishet people here?
This is an aggressively LGBTQ+ space and if you’re cishet and you’re still with us you’re unironically one of the good ones™
Cheers I appreciate that
Eh? I think being one of the good ones requires a certain proactivity that isnt really proved by being here, but I agree with the sentiment.
There are dozens of us. DOZENS!
Uhh, definitely not
The most stereotypical kinds even
We are
And we love our
🏳️🌈 ⚧️While there is a lower class, I am in it, while there is a criminal element, I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free
My ‘Not a cishet informant’ t-shirt has a lot of people asking questions already answered by the shirt.
flamboyantly aro cishet
that’s real as fuck thank you for joining us
I am the token cishet required to receive our funding from Soros, Xi, and Putin. Nice to meet you!
I happen to know a few people who are “most likely straight” or “probably cis” or both, just give them time
jk … unless?
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and also a common dogwhistle by alt right types. its the old maxim. if you’re poor and socialist, that makes you jealous. if you’re rich and socialist, that makes you a bleeding heart moonperson.
they are trying to dunk on us for our 0 tolerance policy for transphobia and our strong pro lgbt+ stance. which is bad enough for them because they are supposed to be in favor of such things. yet the liberals betray their own bad faith by tarnishing the community all at once. they can’t just settle for mental gymnastics, they gotta go even beyond and accuse us of being fake gay people as well.
Libs have a worrying tendency to drop all pretenses of pro-lgbt sentiment if said lgbt-person does not show sufficient gratitude to the lib, by acknowledging the liberal’s Good Opinion™. Prior to the Musk-ification of Twitter, you could see the same thing in action whenever a trans person critized the Democratic Party by pointing to said party’s numerous failures on policy relating to anyone who isn’t a white suburban nuclear family in either California or the Midwest.
thse cryptofash cis shits can’t even imagine talking to an actual trans person, we entirely exist as an anonymous mass to be sued asa a political football to liberal scum like that.
10/10 there are people who believe we are patsocs doing trans-face.
Hexbear, I’m told by insider sources, is Potemkin leftism - it’s a grand performative conspiracy where the far-right congregate to LARP as leftists as a means of tricking good, honest liberals and as a means of indoctrinating naive, newly-minted leftists into deplorable acts such as “reading theory”, denouncing Va*sh, and adopting a position of revolutionary defeatism which is inherently racist against People of NATO.
It’s disgusting.
literally lying about everything, much like north korea social credit xi xinpingbuxX$$$$$$$++++ maomaomeow
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A Tribunal of Hexbear Users Sentencing JK Rowling to the Gulag (Ironically, as a Prank), 2036, Colorized.
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Oh look, i can post my favorite emoji string the second time within less than an hour.
“China only ever does good things because they think it makes them look good internationally” Energy. But it doesn’t work, so why do they/we continue to bother?
“Did you know that if you don’t throw your trans comrades under the bus to appease chasers and ableists that it totally means you’re actually just using them as a shield bro, just trust us bro”
Every accusation a confession.
So people here are right wingers pretending to be trans and left wing. In order to keep up the charade, we suppress our deeply held right wing urges to hate gay people by banning all homophobia, mandating pronouns, and having explicitly pro-trans comms. And we’ve done all of this completely isolated for years.
And we have executed this plot in order to…?
Trick the Good Liberals on the Internet and make them doubt the purity of their faith
And we have executed this plot in order to…?
Do a little trolling
Trust the plan
Patriots are in control
No more half measures
If they had the words they could critique us for our non consistent attitude in regards to anti imperialism vs progressivism in terms of liberalism etc. and a couple other things (which is in part a result of our diversity and left unity and in parts of other things).
However even if they had the words a vast majority would still use ill fitting attacks.
Right wingers would have made the attack helicopter joke more often in a three year long bit
“JohnBrownWasRight”? Sounds like something a republican would say in an alternate history where the Southern Strategy didn’t lead to a reversal in Republican and Democrat’s positions on race in the 60s. Clearly the Mandala Effect is at work here! No more sand painting until we get this under control!
Just like all their other bullshit. They claim we’re right-wing, they claim we aren’t LGBTQ+ accepting, they claim we support Putin, yet no matter how many times we ask, never once have they ever bothered to pony up any evidence to back up these wild accusations.
The issue is that the liberals have figured out you don’t need evidence. You just need more people to repeat a message often enough for it to become the accepted “”“truth”“”. It doesn’t have to be the actual truth but you create it by making people believe it through repetition.
It’s propaganda, and it works. Nobody is immune to it including us, but the more switched-off to propaganda that people are the more susceptible to it they are. And the vast majority of people are switched off to it.
It’s a good thing we outnumber and outpost them
That’s why they defederate us though. They create a chamber in which we don’t exist, and then repeat the propaganda without opposition where people believe it.
They did the same with historical revisionism, like the ribbentrop pact, and look at how almost every lib repeats that ahistorical shit now.
Social media pillarisation is about getting communists away from susceptible liberals, so that they don’t become communists and so that communists don’t interfere with their propaganda by injecting the actual truth.
I think since federation I’ve only seen a lemmy lib post a source once, and it was a link to wikipedia. They are allergic to providing proof/sources, whether it be a serious political discussion or petty federation drama. I saw a lemmy claim they received transphobic comments from a hexbear. A mod from here replied to them to provide the username so they can be banned. Of course the user “couldn’t remember” the username (can’t you just check your post history?).
In regards to de federation I did half a dozen digs. In those dugs I found 5 people inventing things and one who was telling the truth somewhat correct, but since they didn’t get the vibe they misinterpreted the meaning of it. After that I stopped and took up the concept of: “If someone did something to you then you better link it in the fediverse, else I think you are lying”.
During the de federation of one instance I found a soldier who insulted for being an US narc. That guy claimed he got deaht threats for correcting people, not for him literally being in the war of aggression organization with genocide and collateral damage as a side dish.
They’re presumably much more used to people just believing the shit they say, and likewise they’re more used to just going along with whatever they hear. Many of us are commies in deeply capitalistic countries and we’re used to people not just going along with what we say, we’re used to them not believing us, expecting sources, we’re used to them trying to find any way they can to dismiss the sources we provide, and so on …
We’re right wing because we support right wing governments like the USSR, duh
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Wait…Actually humanity, yes we are right-wing. We have the good ideology. We’re not leftists we’re just alt-libertarians. We have all the same biases and prejudices you do, so vote us in power and we will get you the special treatment you deserve, we promise.
“Here’s my flimsy excuse to say that pronoun tags are a bad thing”
- another transphobic sock puppet account
